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No, not a race but a visual side by side comparison. I know folks think they can squeeze up to a Lotus for nearly the same money as an SS (I contemplated it myself) so this is for you folks.

I went to C&C in Great Falls, VA and up front was a Lotus. I intentionally parked next to it so I could snap some photos. People don't realize A) how big the SS really is and B) just how small the Lotus is. In person, the SS dwarfed the Lotus by a large margin.

So if you are on the fence, this may sway you one way or another...
 

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Yeah! The SS really fills up that parking spot!

Thanks, that's the first pix that gives me an idea of it's size.
 

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Everyone has been amazed at how big it is in real life to include the dealer. It really has a LOT of road presence and for all the folks that think they won't be seen, well, this sort dispels that notion. Just look how much higher all the rear lights are than the Lotus.
 

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I wanted a Porsche 911, and intended to buy one last year. When I started optioning it out I got it up to over 130k in short order. No way I could get past the mental block of spending that much on a car. I seem to have a built in limit of around 50k.
So, I started looking into options. I didn't really want to just go with straight line speed, been there and done that too many times as it is. I really like the Lotus's but being 6' 5" and over 60 and a little arthritic, the Lotus was just too hard to get in and out of. Tried the new C7, and I just don't fit. My head hits the top, even if I scrunch down.

When Subaru announced the new 15 WRX and their engineers claimed the 911 as their benchmark for chassis and handling, I thought I'd give it a shot. It can use another 75 hp but from a cornering standpoint, it has a high grin factor, and most importantly, I fit, and it's one of the most comfortable cars I've owned. With an OTD price under 40k, I have been able to literally fill two garages and still have not gotten to the price of that Porsche.
I can't wait to take my grandkids for rides in the Slingshot this spring.
 

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I wanted a Porsche 911, and intended to buy one last year. When I started optioning it out I got it up to over 130k in short order. No way I could get past the mental block of spending that much on a car. I seem to have a built in limit of around 50k.
So, I started looking into options. I didn't really want to just go with straight line speed, been there and done that too many times as it is. I really like the Lotus's but being 6' 5" and over 60 and a little arthritic, the Lotus was just too hard to get in and out of. Tried the new C7, and I just don't fit. My head hits the top, even if I scrunch down.

When Subaru announced the new 15 WRX and their engineers claimed the 911 as their benchmark for chassis and handling, I thought I'd give it a shot. It can use another 75 hp but from a cornering standpoint, it has a high grin factor, and most importantly, I fit, and it's one of the most comfortable cars I've owned. With an OTD price under 40k, I have been able to literally fill two garages and still have not gotten to the price of that Porsche.
I can't wait to take my grandkids for rides in the Slingshot this spring.
Wriggly, in my opinion I think you made a wise choice. Although Porsche's handle amazing.. they nickel & dime you for everything, $800 for crest in seat, $350 for billet door caps, etc. The Lotus of course is one of the best track cars you can buy, but extremely hard to get in and out of and tiring for someone of any age. The subaru WRX/Sti is a versatile all wheel beast and in my opinion one of the best pound for pound vehicles on earth for the money. You can do a Cobb tune, intake, turbo back exhaust and get a nice HP bump.
 

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Thanks for the pictures, I never realized how small the Lotus is. (We don't have many of them here in Iowa....)

I'd also agree with Slingmods about the Porsche & nickle and dime'ing you. I had a Boxster, it was the first time it needed service and they gave me a horrible quote & almost a month to get stuff done that I sold it for $5k more than I bought it and wiped my hands of it. (The joys of buying a Boxster S that the dealer you bought it from priced as a Boxster!)
 

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Wriggly, in my opinion I think you made a wise choice. Although Porsche's handle amazing.. they nickel & dime you for everything, $800 for crest in seat, $350 for billet door caps, etc. The Lotus of course is one of the best track cars you can buy, but extremely hard to get in and out of and tiring for someone of any age. The subaru WRX/Sti is a versatile all wheel beast and in my opinion one of the best pound for pound vehicles on earth for the money. You can do a Cobb tune, intake, turbo back exhaust and get a nice HP bump.
I wasn't a fan of the older ones with the unequal length headers, only because the sound tended to be irritating to my ears. The new WRX with the equal length headers has a more pleasing sound for me. Plus, did I mention it has a back seat that actually is reasonably comfortable for two adults. I am in the process of looking into the mods you mentioned.
I picked it up last April, and we're it not for too many distractions shopping for/ purchasing and moving into a new house the last 6 months, it would have been done. I haven't even gotten to drive it much because of it as well. I only have 1900 miles on it. I'd like to get a few more before doing the mods.
 

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Well that helps to explain the 1700-pound mystery! I'd love to see the Slingshot parked next to the machine named after the smallest known thing in the universe..... the Ariel Atom.
 

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Well that helps to explain the 1700-pound mystery! I'd love to see the Slingshot parked next to the machine named after the smallest known thing in the universe..... the Ariel Atom.
After seeing an Atom on the road, it would make the SS look downright gigantic. The atom is a full 15 inches shorter than the Elise although the Atom is 5 inches wider. The Atom has all it's mass centralized so it makes it look that much smaller than it really is.

So yeah, I "found" the extra weight. Considering the Elise weighs about 300 more than the Slingshot - some might ask Lotus where all its weight is hidden? ;)
 

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Seeing that elise next to the SS reminds me of how much I regret not buying an elise a few years ago when I had the chance. The elise still looks amazing despite how old the design is.
 

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The SS does look massive because of that wide front end, but that width is made up mainly of those lovely, lightweight aluminum suspension arms.

I'm still wondering where the 1700 lbs come from. No one answer I'm sure. If you've ever built an airplane you know that the empty weight is determined by literally hundreds of decisions during design and construction. My RV-8 airplane is 26 feet wide and has 300 HP but weighs only 1150 pounds. Polaris is used to making rugged off road machines and it shows.
 

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As an owner of two Elises, I can chime in.

I asked before about 'perspective' - that is, when describing 'handing' and 'acceleration' what's the baseline? Someone used to driving a pickup all day is going to have a different perspective on 'handling' than someone who races shifter karts.

That said, the Elise is like having relations with Kate Beckinsale. After that, how can one go to a random everyday person? :). Seriously though - one can argue with the size, the difficulty of ingress/egress and the lack of creature comforts, but there's a reason that every auto enthusiast, owner, journalist, etc regards the Elise/Exige as the arguably some of the greatest handling cars EVER made. I'm not talking about in 2005, I'm talking about EVER. There really is nothing like the experience of throwing an Elise around a twisty country road or a proper road course. When I get an SS in spring, I'm sure the experience will pale, but that's ok. It's a different animal and half the price of what I just sold my '08 Elise for.

As far as comparisons, I've had my Elise parked to an Atom a few times (I know a local owner well). The Elise is tiny - and it dwarfs the Atom. Seeing an SS next to an Atom (which we'll be able to do at the next Supercar Saturdays in Chicago in May) will be eye opening. The SS is a VERY VERY wide vehicle and very front heavy. The Elise, is well, the Elise.

That said, the pics don't do it justice. As others note, I think the Elise is one of the sexiest car designs of recent memory. The fact that a car that you can buy for $32K ('05 NA model) has the looks of a super car (just in a pint size package) really is a feat to the work of the Lotus designers. The only issue with THAT pic is the color. It's called Graphite Gray. Nice color. On a BMW 5 series or a Tahoe you drive your kids to soccer practice in. The Elise is meant to wear skittles colors. My two were Saffron Yellow and Chrome Orange respectively. Then you have Krypton Green, Ice White and Ardent Red. The grey, silver, black color options just don't show the lines.

Same goes for the SS. While the metallic is a gorgeous color and makes the vehicle look sinister, I think it would look much better in brighter colors (with the black accents). Lambo Ithaca Verde or Jeep Gecko Green, Mustang Grabber Orange, Corvette Millennium Yellow. Bring on the wraps!
 

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The SS does look massive because of that wide front end, but that width is made up mainly of those lovely, lightweight aluminum suspension arms.

I'm still wondering where the 1700 lbs come from. No one answer I'm sure. If you've ever built an airplane you know that the empty weight is determined by literally hundreds of decisions during design and construction. My RV-8 airplane is 26 feet wide and has 300 HP but weighs only 1150 pounds. Polaris is used to making rugged off road machines and it shows.
Yep - we've heard of the 'tubing'. Keep in mind, the SS doesn't contain the that that really make cars heavy - doors and their hardware, crash structures, airbag modules, AC/Heater motors/controls/piping, glass. Glass is really heavy.

I'm fine with it and I'm sure I'll enjoy, but there will always be an element that will say 'hey, if it's fun at 1700#, it could be SO much more fun at 1,500#'
 

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Yeah, the Lotus is pretty incomparable when it comes to handling. Went to a Skip Barber driving school where we drove Bimmers, Porsches, Lexis ISF and Exige. I hated getting out of the Lotus to drive any of the others.
 
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