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Boosted Club - Gauges/No Gauges?

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All,
I have my DDM Supercharger on order and am looking at possible gauges to install. Maybe Boost and Air/Fuel.

Do any of you run with no gauges?

Do you really need them with these pre-fab kits or they just "cool" to have ?

Thanks in advance,
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You're generally safer with a supercharger than a turbocharger.

Do you need gauges? No.
Can something unexpected go wrong? Yup.
Do you want a failsafe gauge to shut your engine down instead of letting it destroy itself if something goes wrong (and the system can detect the problem)?

I consider it expensive insurance. I'm also pushing the safe limits of boost right to the edge, and therefore bought gauges.

It's up to you, not saying you should or shouldn't, it depends on your unique situation in my opinion. It's kind of like asking, "Should I wear a condom?" If you're at home alone is way different from picking up that crack whore on 6th.
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Older Boost/AFR gauges can let you know if you have a potentially unsafe boost or AFR situation, but chances are you 'll damage your engine before you can process that info and let off the gas. Newer Boost/AFR gauges have the capability to shut things down if they detect unsafe boost/AFR conditions, but the ECU Reflash by Bob doesn't have any method of communicating with the new boost/AFR gauges and some folks have reported using the new Boost/AFR gauges to try and act on their own can be a very difficult situation to get them to work properly with the boosted tunes. IIRC, some folks are working w/Bob to try and address this situation.
Having Boost/AFR gauges or one of the new combo gauges can still provide you some warning if your engine is experiencing a potentially dangerous, but not yet damaging Boost/AFR situation, so it probably makes sense to get a combo gauge or separate gauges, whichever you prefer. Eventually, the boosted tune and the newer gauges capable of shutting things down to protect your engine should be working better together and that would be the ideal situation.
As @WI_Hedgehog posted above, if you're running a supercharger, the need for gauges is less because the boost is directly related to rpms, unlike a turbo. The biggest danger with a supercharge, I guess, is if you get an obstruction in your exhaust and the back-pressure that would cause.
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All good info guys, Thanks. I kinda knew it was a opinion based deal but since this is my first time in the boosted club I thought I would ask the guys with more experience. I will most likely get a boost gauge if only for the "cool" factor.
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If you don't want to spend the money, skip the gauges. The superchargers seem to be really good and there isn't much to monitor on the gauges for safety.

If you like the look of a gauge at work, get a cheap mechanical boost gauge.

It seems like a lot of people install AFR and boost gauges and really don't know how to read them correctly. That would be a waste of money....

If you decide on gauges, I'll tell you that I'm really happy with my AEM Failsafe. 1 gauge to display both AFRs and boost. I download and read logs quite often. Very important for turbo owners like me that keep on messing with boost pressures, plugs, tune, etc.
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@TravAZ - I was looking at your gauges in other posts and I really like them. What I am having a hard time finding is a gauge mount for the windshield brace. I saw a picture of one but have not been able to find it for purchase.

@BLK - I was wondering about Bob's Tune and controllers that can shutdown boost. Sounds like for now to shy away from that setup. - Thanks
@TravAZ beat me to it (he's awesome!), gauges without purpose is just rice-racer. If you don't want them, invest in something that will make you happy (there's tons of other stuff to spend money on here...). If you do want them, I'd suggest a good gauge or set of gauges. The AEM Failsafe takes inputs from other AEM gauges, which as TravAZ said is useful if you're looking at logs over time to determine the health of the system. That's a great reason to put them in when everything is new, so you have a baseline you understand before things go squirrely and there's mess everywhere.

The other thing to consider is gauge installation is going to take time, effort, and money, and in the end you may find it worth your time and money to get a good gauge set for what you'll have invested. Since it's a supercharger you may find the whole thing a waste of time and money, can't determine that for you or say what you'll be doing with the system once you've had it for a while.


What you might consider (to open a whole barrel of monkeys) is that typically superchargers make power lower in the RPM band, turbos in the upper range, except for Alpha's setup which can make power down low and gobs of power up high if you set it up to do so. Personally, I think the Slingshot has a lot of torque for first, second, and third, and if you change the manifold and remove the cats you'll probably agree it has a lot of power up top in 3rd and 4th. I like to make HP instead of torque because torque can lead to detonation, and all roads from there lead to rebuild. A turbo is the evolution of a supercharger, actually called an exhaust turbine driven centrifugal supercharger (yikes!). They make power up top where belt-driven superchargers tend to fall off in power, and a lot of it, which admittedly can lead to a whole host of other problems if the boost is "too high." They're also less predictable since they're fan driven instead of belt driven, so they're not necessarily "better," just "different." If the boost is kept under control they can be fun and safe without being parasitic. Just something to think about...

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Afr is a good idea, boost on a SC not super necessary.
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I bought the Innovate - SCG-1 Solenoid Boost Controller Gauge. It's a Boost/AFR gauge combo and has the ability to stop boost if the boost or the AFR gets out of spec. While folks have experienced some trouble getting things to work smoothly with the current boost tune supplied by Bob, I hope things will get better in the future. Innovate also makes the PL-1 Pocket Logger - PL-1: Pocket Logger, Innovate MTS Datalogger, which can log data from the SCG-1 onto a supplied 2 GB SD card which can hold 2 hrs worth of data. Innovate also offers their LogWorks 3.0 software as a free download to view the data.
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Boost controller wont work on SC setup, only on turbo.

Btw I have a PL1 Pocket Logger for sale, since I am running Haltech Elite I don't need it anymore. If someone's interested.
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Boost controller wont work on SC setup, only on turbo.

Btw I have a PL1 Pocket Logger for sale, since I am running Haltech Elite I don't need it anymore. If someone's interested.
I hope to get my turbo installed after Xmas. Having no experience with an SC, I hadn't realized a boost controller wouldn't work with a SC. Can I assume the Innovate could still be set to react in the event of a poor AFR situation with an SC?
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I hope to get my turbo installed after Xmas. Having no experience with an SC, I hadn't realized a boost controller wouldn't work with a SC. Can I assume the Innovate could still be set to react in the event of a poor AFR situation with an SC?
Yes it could, although the options it has to limit damage is little, as the ecu has no input to go into a limp mode if AFRs are out of spec or if overboost happens. On a SC setup, overboost would be weird, unlike a turbo where issues can arise between the boost reference point and the wastegate.

Still a good idea to log afr to make sure everything stays safe, its still possible to go lean and that would scrap an engine quick.
I didn't include it in my earlier post, but I also ordered the PL-1 data logger when I ordered my SCG-1 gauge.
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Just got boosted this weekend, now I need to install the AEM Failsafe.
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